Teeling stamboom

See Genlias: (his name the other way around..? Perhaps he was better known under the name *Albertus*?)
Bron Burgerlijke stand - Overlijden
Archieflocatie Gelders Archief
Algemeen Toegangnr: 0207
Inventarisnr: 6212
Gemeente: Bergh
Soort akte: overlijden
Aktenummer: 10
Aangiftedatum: 21-01-1858
Overledene Albertus Johannes Teeling
Geslacht: M
Overlijdensdatum: 20-01-1858
Overlijdensplaats: 's-Heerenberg (Bergh)
Vader Albertus Teeling
Moeder Hendrika Stevens
Partner Jeremina Messing
Relatie: echtgenoot
Nadere informatie dooppl: Bergh; oud 57 jaar; beroep overl.: dagloner; beroep vader: geen beroep vermeld; beroep moeder: geen beroep vermeld

Tim, - Best to search via Gelders Archief.
http://www.geldersarchief.nl/familiegeschiedenis/gids-doop--trouw--en-begraafboeken

Go into 'Uitgebreid zoeken' and type in the name; e.g. Teeli* is enough already. But it could also be Teling, or Theling etc. [not sure from where onwards and how many *wildcards* one can use in Gelders Archief site. Just try it out]

Joannes Albertus Teeling, bapt. 17-10-1798 (R.C.)in 's Heerenberg. Parents: Albertus Teeling and Henrica Stevens; godparents: Wilhelmina Koenders and
Bernardus Teeling

His parents married in 1797:
Huwelijk Hendrica Stevens en Albertus Teling, 27-01-1797
Huwelijksdatum: 27-01-1797
Huwelijksplaats: s Heerenberg
Bruidegom/bruid: Albertus Teling and Hendrica Stevens
Getuigen e.a.: Aaltjen Kraan
His parents are not named here.
But since a godparent in 1798 was a *Bernardus* Teeling ...perhaps he was the grandfather or an uncle of the child? Perhaps search further with this name. A Bernardus married in 1798 and his father's name was noted as Johannes Teeling. Maybe this Johannes is also the father of your Albertus? [also thinking that Albertus' first-born son was a Johannes Albertus ..].

Henrika Stevens died 22-11-1824 in Bergh. Her parents named as Hendrik Stevens and Johanna Brugman.
In Familysearch (easy access via http://www.genver.nl/index.htm -> Gelderland -> Bergh) you can find a scan of this death certificate. She was said to be 66 yeard old, born in Groot Azewijn (Bergh), spouse of Albert Teeling, shoemaker etc.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12164-69208-12?cc=1554394&wc=5812214
You need to check on this since ages or names of parents were not always fully and/or correctly known to the declarants.

Marriage Albertus Teerling and Henrica Stevens also noted in Zeddam.
Huwelijk Hendrica Stevens en Albertus Teerling, 27-01-1797
Witness also Aleida Kraan.

??? A Aleida Kraan had been married to a Albertus Teeling as well...? These names are mentioned as parents of a bridegroom in 1822? And a Albertus died in 1842 in 's-Heerenberg (Bergh), 85 yers old, widower of Aleida Kraan [ see Genlias]. Need to check this out...[ but I need to stop as it is dinenr time in my time-zone :) ].

Hello Helena,
Thank you so much for the information about the Teeling stamboom which you have researched. Johannes Albertus was also known as Albertus or Albert more commonly. I did go through the Genlias website, the Genver weebsite, and the Bevolkingregisters of Gelderlann's archives. They were all very helpful, but I cannot find what (if anything) comes before Alberus Teeling married Hendrika Stevens. I did notice a few dates of new information that you sent me and I will compare them to my documents and add them in. Thank you so much for the help that you have provided. It is much appreciated. Sincerely, Tim

Tim, - Re the info in the index online in Gelders Archief: In the field of 'Getuigen e.a.' [ = witnesses and others] what I saw as 'witness' at the marriage in 1797 was not the name of a witness, but the name of Albertus' deceased previous spouse. You should try to see a copy of the original entry to make sure. Albertus (sr) had been married before with Aaltje (Aleida, Alijda etc) Kraan(en):
Aalbert Tierling and Aaltje Kraanen married 's Heerenberg on 03-04-1784.
Alijda Kraan passed away in October 1796. The month and year of her death is noted in an official declaration made in 1822, just before their son Joannus Henricus Teeling married. [ This and more can be found in Familysearch in the 'Huwelijksbijlagen 1811-1823, Bergh, scan 1014 of 1564 ->] . Also a declaration that the name of Johannes Henricus Teeling's father was not correctly noted in 1786; it was written as Henricus instead of Albertus.
No other conclusion then: Albertus Teeling [widower of Aleida Kraan] who passed away in 1842 at the age of 85 was the same Albertus as the one who married (2nd time) in 1797 with Henrica Stevens. Perhaps the declarants in 1842 knew only the name of his first wife?
His parents [named in this death certificate]: Jan Teeling and Johanna Messing. You need to check since declarants could have made mistakes.

More 'Tierlings' married around 1785 in 's Heerenberg. Hendrik and Hermanus; perhaps brothers of Albertus?
Hermanus Teerling ~24-09-1761 (R.C.) 'sHeerenberg, father's name also as Joannes Teerling

Wow!!! Helena, thank you so much for the exciting information. If Albertus wasmarried twice, then that would connect many other Teeling names that I have found from Bergh. I will look into that information more in the morning.
Sincerely, Tim

Helene,
You mentioned about looking in the Gelder's Archief for the name of Albertus' previous spouse ( Aaltje Kraan)as being deceased, on the marriage application of 1797. Can you tell me what the website address is to get to the Gelder's Archief. I tried using a link that I have, but it does not let me view original documents, only typed up information from 1812 onward. I tried GENVER, but it also does not go back before the 1800's.

Tim, - what I meant: Online one can only access the *index*.
http://www.geldersarchief.nl/familiegeschiedenis/gids-doop--trouw--en-begraafboeken

Huwelijk Hendrica Stevens en Albertus Teerling, 27-01-1797
Huwelijksdatum: 27-01-1797
Huwelijksplaats: Zeddam
Kerkelijke gemeente: Zeddam
Bruidegom/bruid: Albertus Teerling Hendrica Stevens
Getuigen e.a.: Aleida Kraan
Toegangsnummer: 0176 Retroacta Burgerlijke stand
Inventarisnummer: 284.1
Pagina: 64
Volgnummer op pagina: 1

Huwelijksdatum: 27-01-1797
Huwelijksplaats: s Heerenberg
Kerkelijke gemeente: s Heerenberg
Kerkelijke gezindte:
Burgerlijke gemeente
Bruidegom/bruid: Albertus Teling Hendrica Stevens
Getuigen e.a.: Aaltjen Kraan
Toegangsnummer: 0176 Retroacta Burgerlijke stand
Inventarisnummer: 268.1
Pagina: 5
Volgnummer op pagina: 1

From the info in the index alone you can not be sure what role Aleida Kraan had here. [was she a (getuige) witness, or (e.a.) and other?] However, this info combined with the info in the Marriage Register of their son in 1822 [and the relevant scans!], plus the entry (and scan) in Death Register of 1842 you can be sure that Aaltje Kraanen was Albert Teerling's first spouse. No doubt. However, to be really 100% sure you should try to see the orginal marriage entry of 1797. Isn't this the case with ALL entries! Well, I always try to find a copy of the original entry! Unfortunately the Trouwregisters of 's Heerenberg of 1797 are not online (yet); you can order a copy and/or ask someone who can do this for you in the Gelders Archief.
Also: keep an eye on Familysearch (via genver); they keep on adding records on a regurlar base. Only a few weeks ago there was lot added [e.g. for Brabant a many scans of the DTB registers are now online].

Helene, Thank you for explaining that the original documents are not yet on-line. I thought that perhaps I was missing an important website, or other internet link. I appreciate all of your assistance very much!

A lot of DTB and ORA of places in de Achterhoek en Liemers (two regions of Gelderland) can be found on the GenealogieDomein pages on Flickr. The DTB of 's Heerenberg (RK, NG and schepen) are amongst them. For the DTB see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/genealogiedomein/collections/72157620220739655/
RBS number in the name of the set is the same as "inventarisnummer" in the index.

To find out which sources from the Achterhoek and Liemers are available, see the website www.genealogiedomein.nl.
And check out www.geneaknowhow.net and choose the section Digitale Bronnen in Nederland en België.

Dorethe, Thankyou for the advice on other websites and locations to find more information. It is much appreciated, and I am making good progress in finding more names and dates in the Teeling Family.

Hallo Tim,my name is Angelika Schidlo-Teeling,i'm busy with familysearch of the teelings from s'heerenberg and other locations there,found a notice from you of the page from bhic.nl,are you still looking for teelings ? perhaphs we can come in contact and can compare our informations/sources/dates of the teelings family,groetjes Angelika

Mijn moeder (Johanna Jacoba Groenendijk) was rond het jaar 1924 bevriend met Alberta Th.F. TEELING.
Beide dames woonden toen in Den Bosch.
Volgens het Bosche archief vertrok Alberta op 28 febr.1928 naar Enschede.
Is er over deze Alberta iets bekend?
(geboortedatum en geboorteplaats)

Hallo Ton, (vertaald met Google vertaler) heb ik wel een oudtante van mij genaamd Alberta Theodora Francisca Teeling die werd geboren in 1898/08/07 in Lochem. Zij trouwde Antonius Evers in Enschede op 1932/08/18. Helaas zij en haar man en hun dochter Margaretha (Marga) stierven allen in Nijmegen toen het werd gebombardeerd 22.2.1944.Ik weet niet of dit dezelfde persoon die u verwees naar, maar het is de enige Alberta Teeling die ik in mijn stamboom. Ik hoop dat dit helpt. Jammer dat het is triest nieuws. Met vriendelijke groet, Tim (uit Canada)

Hi Tim,

Are you by any chance related to the 'van Hees' family who emigrated to Canada on 1 Mar 1940 via Liverpool, UK?

In other words, are you a descendant of:
Martinus van HEES -1860–1925 & (Johanna) (van den Oever) 1863–1933?

If so, hi Cousin!

Hi Wendy,
Sorry, I am not related to the family you referred to as going through Liverpool.

To Angelika Schidlo-Teeling about your comment from 16 april 2013. I have been in contact with Cees' niece, Jeanine Teeling, and sent her a new copy of the Teeling stamboom. Contact her to get a copy of it or ask her for my e-mail address which she has, and I can send it to you. Sincerely, Tim

The family tree is getting better and better. I still have my doubts on the start of the tree. JOHANNA Teeling (Doesburg 1752) is the daughter of Henricus Teeling and Noldina Lemmen. But I have my doubts about Hermanus and Johannes. They were born 30 years before JOHANNA in a different village. Hopefully we can find more details. Any additionele information is highly appreciated.

Hi Tim, perhaps the info on Henricus Teeling (about 1690) is usefull?

https://www.dortmans-steverink.nl/humogen/family.php?database=humo_&id=F13267&main_person=I37307

Kind regards
Ardi

Hi Ardi, I agree with this information showing Henricus Teeling as the father of Johannes Teeling (b. 1721) and Hermanus Teeling (b. 1724), and have that recorded on my stamboom. It is the name Johanna Teeling (b. 1752) in Doesburg and died in 1828 in Diadam that we are trying to figure out if she was born by the same parents. She married Hendrik de Reus. Thanks for your help though. It's greatly appreciated. ......from Tim

Hi Tim,
I assume you refer to Joanna Petronella Teeling baptised 09-02-1757 in Doesburg from the parents Arnolda Simons and Hendrik Telink. These married 13-12-1754 in Doesburg. He was a soldier from Campen and she from Doesburg.

Hendrik Teelink is the person you are looking for ?

Best regards
Ardi

Hello Ardi, We know that the father of Johannes Teeling (b. 1721) and Hermanus Teeling (b. 1724) was Henricus Teeling (b. @ 1690-1700). We are trying to find out if this Henricus Teeling was married to Noldina Lemen, and whether he also had a daughter named Johanna (b. 1752 in Doesburg, and died 1828 in Didam). This daughter (Johanna) was married to Hendrik Reus. We just don't know whether Johanna was the sister of Johannes and Hermanus because they were born 30 years apart, and in different towns.

It would also be great if we could find the relationship between the Teeling family from the "Zaanstreek" (Krommenie, Wormerveer) and the 's Heerenberg Teeling. We know that Claas Teeling was born around 1620 in Wormerveer. Maybe he had a brother or a Son who mover to the east of the Netherlands. Any help is highly appreciated.

Thx Ardi, i already had the family Teeling Simons and now Joanna could be placed with her brother Henderikus.
Can you give me the revérence regarding their marriage. I cannot find it

Hi Tim, see the references below. I do not understand your remark that Henricus is also father of Joannes (1721) and Hermanus (1724). The marriage document
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WK-LX43?i=42&wc=SMHS-CX3%3A1292637101%2C346634601%2C347539001%3Fcc%3D2038506&cc=2038506

clearly states that Henricus and Arnolda are j.m. and j.d. (young man and young daughter: so they were not married before!). Hence Henricus cannot be the father of Joannes and Hermanus. Or do I understand you wrongly ?

Huwelijksdatum: 13-12-1754
Huwelijksplaats: Doesburg
Kerkelijke gemeente: Doesburg
Kerkelijke gezindte: Nederduits Gereformeerd
Bruidegom/bruid: Hendrik Taelinck
Arnolda Simon
Toegangsnummer: 176
Inventarisnummer: 489.5
Pagina: 40
Volgnummer op pagina: 4
Hij j.m. soldaat uit Campen,zij j.d. uit Doesburg

http://www.geldersarchief.nl/zoeken/?mivast=37&mizig=128&miadt=37&miaet=18&micode=0176_489.5&minr=24874716&miview=ldt

Doopdatum: 09-02-1757
Doopplaats: Doesburg
Dopeling: Johanna Petronella Telink
Moeder: Arnolda Simons
Vader: Hendrik Telink
Kerkelijke gemeente: Doesburg
Kerkelijke gezindte: Nederduits Gereformeerd
Toegangsnummer: 176
Inventarisnummer: 487.5
Pagina: 211
Volgnummer op pagina: 2

http://www.geldersarchief.nl/zoeken/?mivast=37&mizig=128&miadt=37&miaet=18&micode=0176_487.5&minr=24872212&miview=ldt

Best regards
Ardi

Hi Ardi, I think this helps to explain what I have been looking for. It proves that we are looking at two different families and that Johannes (1721) and Hermanus (1724), are not the brothers of Johanna (1752). I know that Johannes and Hermanus had parents named Henricus Teeling and Noldina Lemen (I think), and so if Johannes parents were Henricus Teeling and Arnolda Simons, then we are talking about two different families! Thank you for helping to solve that puzzle. It is much appreciated!! Sincerely, from Tim

Hi Tim,

to help you a little bit further: Campen is Kampen in Overijssel. There we find:


Marriage of Jan Teelink and Anna Margaretha Lamberts (he from Kampen, she from Zwolle):
Netherlands, Overijssel P...Church Records, 1542-1893
Nederlands Hervormd
Kampen
Trouwen 1695-1809
Afbeelding 96 van 463
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89CH-Q4RY?i=95&wc=SBFG-929%3A381641201%2C381640102%2C381770001%3Fcc%3D2037905&cc=2037905
Hij jm uit Kampen, zij jd uit Zwolle
2 sept 1714

They have several children including Henricus:
Paginanummer: 180
Doopdatum: 1723-07-25
Doopplaats: Bovenkerk te Kampen (gereformeerd)
Kind: Hendrik Telink
Voornaam:
Achternaam:
Geslacht:
Vader: Jan Telink
Voornaam:
Achternaam:
Moeder: Anna Magreta Lamberts
Voornaam:
Achternaam:
Opmerkingen: DTB319 Moeder: Anna Magreta Lambers
DTB323 Ingeschrevene: Hendrijk
Vader: Jan Teling
Moeder: Anna Margreta Lamberts
Toegangsnummer: 00016 Doop-, trouw-, en begraafboeken (retroacta burgerlijke stand) Kampen
Inventarisnummer: 310

http://stadsarchiefkampen.nl/doorzoek-alles?mivast=69&mizig=100&miadt=69&miaet=54&micode=00016-310&minr=15016380&miview=ldt

This Henricus is probably the one you are looking for. Note this family is reformed and therefore Hendrik married with Arnolda Simons also reformed + their children were baptised reformed (and not Christian !!).

Also in Kampen at the same time there lives a Helmich Jansen Telink, which is interesting in view of the son with name Jan Helmich of Henricus * Arnolda Simons.

So yes, I would guess Henricus Telink is not related to Joannes and Hermanus. Telink is a family with longer existence in Kampen so I would start exploring that. Most documents can be found on Internet.

best regards
Ardi

I agree that these seem to be two very different families. The Henricus Teeling lineage that I have been following comes from 'sHeerenberg (Bergh nowadays). Thanks so much for all of your help Ardi. It is very much appreciated!!!