FLOREN, Henricus

Personal data Henricus Floren Male

He was born about 1705.
He died on October 6, 1765 in Brecht, Antwerpen, België.


Household of Henricus Floren

He is married to Catharina van den Ackerveecken on November 14, 1730 at Brecht, Antwerpen, België.

They were married in church on .

Geloof: Rooms Katholiek


Their notice of marriage was on November 4, 1730 in Brecht, Antwerpen, België.

http://search.arch.be/: 127 trouvés, 109 jusqu'à 109 montré, page 109 de 127

Child(ren):

Begga Floren 1738-1782 Tree

Vera, - The marriage was indeed on Nov 14th , 1730 in Brecht.
Randomly paging through the books (Brecht - parish St. Michiel - baptisms) from 1700 onwards I spotted the name Floren already in 1700. More than one couple Floren in Brecht having children from 1700 onwards (perhaps even much earlier?). Also in Rijkevorsel.

Rijkevorsel is a place in Belgium, not far from Brecht [ Province of Antwerp]. It could well be that your Henricus Floren was born there or lived in that place since ' Vorsel' and 'Reijkevorsel' were noted with the baptisms of some of his children. In 1731 the priest noted 'Vorsel' next to the father's name, in 1732 he wrote 'Rijkevorsel', in 1735 ' ex Reijkevorsel'

Couldn't find a Henricus Floren (in Brecht) old enough to be married in 1730. Found a Henricus Floren born in 1722 in Brecht, son of Matthias Floren and Anna Gijsens (Gijsels? Gijsbers?). This couple had already a first child in Rijkevorsel in 1707. A Matthias Floren was sponsor when Henricus' daughter Dymphna * 1735 was baptised. Perhaps this Matthias and Henricus were brothers?

A Matthias Floren married Anna Nicolaij Gijsels in Feb 1707 in Rijkevorsel. A Henricus Adriani Floren was one of the witnesses. Most likely he was a brother.
A Henricus Adriani Floren married Anna de Bie in Oct 1710 in Rijkevorsel.

Could it be that Anna de Bie passed away before 1730 and that Henricus remarried in Brecht in 1730? That the marriage in Brecht was his second one?

Can you mention the names of his children born in Brecht, including the names of their sponsors at baptism? I found already: Wilhelmus (*1731), Petrus (*1732), Joanna (*1734 ), Dymphna (*1735), Anna (*1737), Begga (*1738).
And try to find the death of Anna de Bie...either in Rijkevorsel or in Brecht... If that was before 1730.

http://search.arch.be/nl/tips/98-parochieregisters -> Provincie Antwerpen-> etc.
To see the scans you have to log-in.

Hendrik FLOREN

Geboorte : ca. 1705


Relatie met : Catharina VAN DEN ACKERVEKEN
Ondertrouw : 04/11/1730, Brecht
Huwelijk: 14/11/1730, Brecht
Relatie: notities
Kind : Willem Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 05/5/1731, Brecht
Kind : Peter Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 23/10/1732, Brecht
Kind : Joanna Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 19/5/1734, Brecht
Kind : Dympna Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 24/8/1735, Brecht
Kind : Anna Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 09/5/1737, Brecht
Kind : Begga Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 28/7/1738, Brecht
Kind : Hendrik Hendrik FLOREN Doopsel : 07/5/1741, Brecht

http://www.geschiedenisvanloenhout.net/genealogie/p/p26#I10561
Op deze site staat familie Floren uitgedreid op

On the site mentioned: No exact birth/baptism date for Henricus Floren who married Catharina van den Ackerveken in Brecht. Only ± 1700. [ Could it be ± 1690...who knows..? Without a clue it is everybody's guess]
To find any possible link you first need to find the relationship between the witnesses (sponsors) at the baptisms of the children and the family. In general grandparents, uncles and aunts (also by marriage) (and if alive) of the children were asked first. Or older siblings and/or their spouses...

Keep the option open of a second marriage in 1730. Perhaps the priest in Brecht did not have the habit to write down if someone was a widower ['viduus']? Browse through the book around those years if you can find any 'viduus' or 'vidua' getting married..if the priest had the habit to write this down...normally you should see some in a time span of say 5-10 years in the early 18th Century.

Here the shortened link to that marriage entry in 1730 in Brecht.
http://tinyurl.com/jl4vmue You have to log-in (free) to be able to see the scan.

thank you all for your input -
I had the details of his marriage to Catharina van den Ackerveken in 1730 Brecht -
i had some of his children: Petrus 1732, Begga 1738, Henricus 1741
he was witness in Brecht 8Nov 1721 to baptism of Henricus Floren, son of Matthias - the other witness was Lucia Vermijden (?) - ref Parochieregisters/Antwerp/Brecht Folio 49 (Page 25/233)

i found a Henricus FLERON born in Megen, Noord-Brabant in 1686
perhaps this is my Henricus Floren who lived in Rijkevorsel and (re-?) married in 1730 in Brecht to Catharina van den Ackerveken)
perhaps Matthias (most likely his brother) was also born in Megen
perhaps i should find out if witness Lucia Vermijden at 1721 Brecht baptism was perhaps his first wife...?

the Henricus Floren (not Fleron, sorry) baptised Megen RK 21Dec 1686
father Jan Floren
mother Everharda N.N.
Rooms-Katholiek doopboek 1613-1712
Plaats Megen, Haren en Macharen
could this be my ancestor...?

Vera, - If you are sure that the Henricus who married in Brecht in 1730 is the person you are looking for then you have to start in Brecht first --> Find the baptisms of their children and write down the names of their witnesses / sponsors. The names of the children and dates of baptism already given (see Tiny's post before) , but not yet the names of their sponsors at baptism. These other names may give us further clues since most families kept to the tradtional 'naming' and 'choosing a witness [both sides of the family] ' when children were baptised. Considering most families adhered to this tradtion, it could be that you will will find already 'relationships' in the Brecht or Rijkevorsel region. ( Note: Always exceptions to the naming etc. since certain events or deaths in families could overwrite the normal rule).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_name
Perhaps it can vary a bit in the Antwerp region.

Vera, - I don't think Lucia Vermijden was a first wife otherwise Henricus would have named a first daughter in a following marriage after his deceased previous wife. No Lucia in that family. Actually..., we still do not know if this was a second marriage or not.

The obvious 'Floren' -sponsors: Matthias Floren and Catharina Floren (in 1735) and a Dimpfna Floren in 1737. Note: A married woman can be known by name of her husband or her maiden name. Both possible in those church records. You also need to know the names of Catharina van den Ackerveken's siblings and parents as there could be witnesses form her side of the family.

* baptism of Petrus in 1732 -witnesses Joannes Antonii Gijffen? and Maria Fegouch?

* baptism of Begga in 1738 - witnesses Joannes van Nijden? and Dimphna Lanrijken?

* baptism of Henricus in 1741 - witnesses Ogidin van Ocken? and Catharina Damb?

all hard to decipher... none of these names rings a bell -
can email images in word doc, if anyone would like me to do so...

so far no success finding information on Henricus before 8Nov 1721 in
Brecht where he was witness to baptism of Matthias' son Henricus

one Belgian researcher (Alain) suggested he could have been born elsewhere, possibly earlier than 1703-1705 and perhaps even previously married - his father could also have converted (if Jan married to Everharda N.N.?)

may have to ask Alain to do research around Brecht and Rijkevorsel surroundings -






have found a Henricus Floren baptised in 1686 in Megen

Try to do some research in de region of Brecht and Rijkevorsel first. In the Chruch book (Baptisms) it was 3x noted that Henricus Floren was from Rijkevorsel [thus to indicate that he was not from Brecht where the cildren were baptised]. -- Widen your research a bit to surrounding places. Keep in mind that some of the church records may have have been lost, or have gaps (?) and perhaps you will never be able to find the exact baptism. For example, I miss the baptisms of Brecht between 1664-1700 online and the book of burials only after 1771 online. Maybe they are not lost (?), but just not available online ? Seek advice or help through a local history society. http://www.brecht.be/node/1691 or in Rijkevorsel. In general they have many old documents and records for research into the history of a place. In Brecht: - abstracts or transcript of alderman registers Brecht (1522-1805), notary deeds, parish registers of Brecht, Sint-Lenaarts and Overbroek, Indexes on the parish registers of the surrounding municipalities. -- I haven't had a look at Rijkevorsel yet.

In regards to the baptisms in Brecht and what I can read:
1. Wilhelmus ~ 5 May 1731. Sponsors: Wilhelmus Adriaensse, Josina van Ostae pro (= for) Cornelia Petri Mertens. Thus Cornelia Petri Mertens the sponsor, but not present at the time of baptism.
2. Petrus ~ 23 Oct 1732; Joannes Antonii Gijssen , Maria Schenck
3. Joanna ~ 19 May 1734; Petrus Brugmans , Maria Laurijssen (Petrus Brugmans was married to Anna van den Ackerveken in 1733 in Brecht)
4. Dymphna ~24 Aug 1735 ; Matthias Floren , Catharina Floren
5. Anna ~ 09 May 1737; Joannes Laurenti Dams, Dimphna Floren
6. Begga ~ 28 Jul 1738 ; Joannes van Nijen (?), Dimphne Laurijssen
7. Henricus ~ 07 May 1741; Egidius van Ocken , Catharina Dams

It seems to me that no grandparents Floren were present (perhaps not alive anymore) at the baptisms.

hi Helena - thanks for your clarification
I haven't had success so far finding further online information on Henricus in Brecht/Rijkevorsel area - may have to get Alain van Wayenberge to do research on site -
the name Joannes Antonii Gijssen rings a bell, as of course, Matthias Floren (likely brother to Henricus)
the search goes on!

- Re baptism nr. 1 : Not sure if I read the abbreviation correctly; perhaps it reads 'pro qua' = for which ; Then the first woman named is the actual sponsor and not the second one.
- Re 5. - Joannes Laurenti Dams married to Elisabeth Floren
- Re 6. - Joannes van Nijen was married to a (not found yet) Floren. He died in 1751 ( see image 39/84) and was noted down as 'maritus' (= spouse of) N.N. Floren; 'op den Vredenburg hoeve' was also mentioned.
- Re 6. - Dimphna ~ 11 Jul 1716 Brecht, daughter of Joannis Laurijnssen and Elisabeth Floren. (9 /233). Probably the witness in 1738. Was she a cousin (second cousin?) , niece?
- Re 7. - Catharina ~ 11 Apr 1726, daughter of Joannis Antonii Laurentii Dams and Elisabeth Floren (40/233). Perhaps the witness in 1741? Sister of Dimphna Laurijssen and perhaps of Maria Laurijnssen too?
- Re 7. - Egidius ~ 30 Dec 1724 Brecht, son of Andree Ocken and *Catharina* van den Ackerveken ( 36/233) , The witness in 1741.

Was *Catharina* van den Ackerveken the same person as the one who married Henricus in 1730? Perhaps the marriage to Andree Ocken in or before 1723 was her first one? They had a few children in Brecht between 1723 up till 1728. If she was the same person and thinking of her age: A child born in 1741 in a following marriage..is still possible.
- And see, in 2 days time - 9th and 10th Feb 1776 Brecht (image 9/42) - the following burials. Same family?
a. Catharina van den Ackerveken *widow* of Henri Floren.
b. Aegidius van Ocken , unmarried, son of Andreas and of Catharina van den Ackerveken
c. Catharina van Ocken, unmarried, daughter of the same couple.

Vera, it is not easy with only what one can find on the internet. But it is worthwhile to go through the books of Brecht and Rijkevorsel and perhaps discover more relationships. His baptism is hard to find, I agree. Could well ne elsewhere. Try to read through page by page, also looking at names of the witnesses since they can reveal relationships. -- The baptisms of Rijkevorsel are indexed and can be found via the following link (always check against the original books): http://www.ravels-weelde-poppel.be/ . And another link you possibly know already: http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/bronnen.html

Perhaps they moved around a bit before settling down in Rijkevorsel or Brecht? Were there millers in this family? I saw 'molitor' (= miller) next to a Adrianus Floren who passed away in 1725 Brecht. Not sure how he was related to your Henricus though.

hi Helena - I think I have found Catharina van den Ackerveken in the Parochieregisters/Turnhout/Index/Dopen - image 24 of 260 - 21 Aug? 1865 Blatz 2000 -
Father: Henricus (Hendicus?)
Mother: Pelletis (Jelletis ?), Joanna (Yvanna?)
is Blatz 2000 viewable in digital form...? I've got to yet find it...
Catharina could well possibly have been previously married, as Henricus (Henrici) could also have been- being born in 1685 for Catharina and perhaps 1686 for Henricus -

The Catharina (re-)married in 1730 and still had a child in 1741 was most likely born between 1695-1705. Think of her childbearing years.

the Catharina vdA buried in 1776 could not be the Catharina born in 1685 (would make her 91yrs at burial - just about impossible...)

so far, haven't found birth entry for a Catharina vdA around 1695-1705

*have found death entry for Anna de Bie in Brecht 18Mar 1729 - no mention of Henricus in that entry - just "Anna de Bie" and nothing else -

*have found death entry for Anna Gijsels (wife of Matthias Floren) Brecht 17Aug 1728

found two Catharina vdA deaths in Turnhout deaths index - but can't decipher exact years for either (1725 and 1794 respectively? -image 227of307)

still looking for Catharina vdA ca b1695-1705

hi Helena
have found baptism entry for a Catharina van den Ackerveken in Merksplas, BE
3Feb 1697 - father Adrianus vdA - mother is Maria Adriaensen
one of the witnesses at baptism of Wilhelmus in 1731 was Wilhelmus Adriaensen -
could this be the right Catharina vdA? (Merksplas dopen inv 3 folio 20)

Catharina van den Ackerveken
Datum van Geboorte 3 Februari 1697
Plaats van geboorte Merksplas
Overlijden ( Datum en plaats onbekend)
Naaste familie:

Echtgenote van Cornelius Backx
Moeder van Cornelia Backx; Maria Backx; Adriana Backx en Anna Maria Backx
Beheerd door Guillaume Bon
Laatste update 30 November 2014

About 'your' Catharina vdA. this is all I could find online:
- 1st (?) marriage in or before 1723 with Andree (van) Ocken. Haven't found yet when and where; only known so far that a (first?) child was baptised in 1723 in Brecht. Children bapt. in Brecht:
1. Anna Maria ~ 14 Sep 1723 (see image 31 /233)
2. Egidius ~ 30 Dec 1724 (image 36/233)
3. Elisabetha ~ 7 May 1726 (image 40/233)
4. Anna Catharina ~ 13 Apr 1728 (image 46 /233)
The witnesses with names (vd) Ackerveken were: *Petrus* in 1724, *Anna* in 1726 and *Cornelius* in 1728.
Could be brothers of Catharina or one of them could be her father? The Anna vdA. could be her sister or a sister-in-law.
But...at the baptism of the (first?) child in 1723 -> *Elisabetha Brems* was one of the witnesses. The mother of Catharina?
Searching in Merksplas - I only searched via http://www.ravels-weelde-poppel.be/ - you will find a Joris/ Georg VanderAckerveeke married to Elisabeth Brems in 1686. In this family also children Peter, Corneel, Anna and indeed a Catharina. Catharina ~ 16 Apr. 1697 Merksplas. Must be the one.

Most likely this was her 2nd marriage in 1730 in Brecht with Henricus Floren.
- Henricus Floren viv (in life [married to]) Catharina van den Ackerveken, buried 6 Oct 1765 [ see Brecht image 80 / 84],
- Catharina van den Ackerveken ultimo vidua Henrici Floren , buried 9th Feb 1776 Brecht. [ Brecht image 9/42]. Their children already known to you.

hi Helena (and Tiny) - thanks for your responses
the Catharina b 1697 must be my Catharina then...?

still trying to find birth details for Henricus Floren
(so far, only found a Henricus Floren b Megen 1686)

Catharina ~ 16 Apr. 1697 Merksplas is the right one. Based on child-bearing age and on the witnesses: Elisabetha Brems (her mother), Petrus, Cornelius and Anna vA. (her siblings).

Only have the usual online sources to search through and these do not include any 'schepenakten' from Brecht, nor from Megen. Perhaps these acts could reveal more.., or not.. But so far ..can't see a connection (yet) with the Henricus (1686) in Megen. E.g. not one of the daughters in Brecht was named after Everharda, the mother of this Henricus in Megen. Neither were one of the brothers of that Henricus in Megen (Florentius *1670, Nicolaus *1681 ) witnesses at baptisms in Brecht. Perhaps non of them were alive anymore?

Have a look here at BHIC -> Stamboom-> Wat zit erin -> Dopen, trouwen en begraven -> Megen. Not everything from Megen and Macharen is in the index yet, but scans are available to search through. Perhaps you can find a burial for that Henricus in Megen?

You'll need to find some proof ...otherwise it remains a guess.

http://www.geschiedenisvanloenhout.net/archief/230#slt84

Schepenregister 230, f° 265 r° 13.10.1783
(230-0084)
Joannes Balduinus Arnouts hernieuwt transportakte Brecht dd 13.06.1781 waarbij Anna Maria van Ocken x Gabriel Kenis, Loenhout en Joannes Brugmans, Brecht, als momboor van de ‘imbeciele’ Elisabeth van Ocken, samen voor een derde gerechtigd en nog voor vier negensten in het tweede derde deel als erfgenamen van +Andreas van Ocken x +Catharina van den Ackerveken – Peeter Floren – Begga Floren x Cornelis Lambrechts – Joanna Floren x Geeraerd Cornelissen – Digna Floren x Joannes Courtin, Antwerpen – notaris Petrus Josephus Vinck, gemachtigd van Anna Floren x Guilielmus Wouters, Antwerpen; deze comparanten gerechtigd voor vijf negensten in het tweede derdedeel; transporteerden aan jonker Joannes Petrus Ernestus de Caters een stede en een beemd in Blaakt

Henricus Adriani Floren is a son of Adriaan Hendrici Floren x Maria Aert Adriaensens. All witnesses with children match with this family. I didn't find baptism of Henricus, probably baptized under a patronym name...

The 2nd marriage of this Henricus in Brecht is high unlikely...none of the witnesses has something to do with the Floren-Adriaensens family.

Is this perhaps a coincidence then? In 2 days time - 9th and 10th Feb 1776 Brecht (image 9/42) - you will find the following burials.
a. Catharina van den Ackerveken *widow* of Henri Floren.
b. Aegidius van Ocken , unmarried, son of Andreas and of Catharina van den Ackerveken
c. Catharina van Ocken, unmarried, daughter of the same couple.

That raised with me the question: Are they perhaps from one and the same family? Was this widow Catharina perhaps living with her two unmarried children from a previous marriage? Still a question mark...

Found baptism of Henricus FLoren: Henricus baptized in Rijkevorsel November the 11th 1686, son of Adrianus Hendrick Verbaecken x Maria Aert Adriaensen (witnesses: Arnoldus Adriaensen, Josina Hendrick Van Bedaf)

www.ravels-weelde-poppel.be

@Ragebol -It was Catharina van den Ackerveken who married twice: 1e. with Andreas van Ocken, 2e. with Henricus Floren (for him this was the 1st marriage).
More evidence to be found in what Lieve already wrote on 21 April 2016; she refered to http://www.geschiedenisvanloenhout.net/archief/230#slt84
Schepenregister 230, f° 265 r° 13.10.1783
(230-0084)

naast de kwestie...ze zoekt Henricus Floren

Je hebt gelijk....de vraag was naar de doop van Henricus Floren die gehuwd was met Catharina van den Ackerveken. Maar je noteerde [ op 9 november 2016 om 21:16 uur ] dat het tweede huwelijk [van Catharina met?] Henricus Floren niet aannemelijk was...en daar ben ik het niet mee eens. Catharina huwde de 2de keer met Henrcius Floren. --- Of heb ik je in die reactie van 21.16 uur verkeerd begrepen?

Intussen lijkt het erop dat je die doop gevonden hebt te Rijckevorsel op 11 nov. 1686. Denk wel dat het de juiste is gezien Maria Aert Adriaensen rond diezelfde tijd ook met Adrianus Hendrick Floren kinderen laat dopen.
Adriannus Hendrick Floren = Adrianus Hendrick Verbraecken.

Mogelijk krijg je van de vragenstelster de vraag waarom de vader hier met de naam Adrianus Hendrick *Verbraecken* genoteerd staat en niet als *Floren*...?

@Helena. Doopgetuigen in gezin Floren-Van den Ackerveken kan ik niet thuisbrengen in gezin Floren-Adriaensens, vandaar dat ik vermoed dat het hier om een andere Henricus Floren gaat....

Dan nog naar een andere Henricus zoeken...en die van 1686 even opzij zetten...
Heb enkele maanden terug hier al tijd aan besteed om de getuigen te kunnen plaatsen, maar zoals je kunt nalezen had ik er ook moeite mee. Zie mijn reactie van 15 maart 2016 om 01:53 uur

Kijk je naar dat regest van schepenakte van 1783.
Kinderen uit eerste huwelijk van Catharina van den Ackerveken met Van Ocken:
1. Anna Maria van Ocken
2. Elisabeth van Ocken
[ Opm.: de andere Ocken kinderen - Aegidius en Catharina waren al in 1776 overleden]
Verder de kinderen uit tweede huwelijk van Catharina van den Ackerveken met Hendricus Floren:
3. Peeter Floren
4. Begga Flooren
5. Joanna Floren
6. Digna Floren
7. Anna Floren
[ mogelijk waren de zonen Wilhelmus en de jonge Henricus al voor 1783 overleden..?]

thank you both for your latest input :)
am wondering about the relationship between my Henricus (Henrici Adriani) and Matthias Floren - brothers? cousins?

am also wondering why Henricus baptism record shows father as Adriani Hendrick Verbraecken i/o Floren?
Henricus' paternal grandmother would be Elisabeth Verbraecken, if this is the correct Henricus (Henrici Adriani)

your thoughts?